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[MOD] How to get good advice from m.b.m. v.1.01
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Scott T. Jensen
2007-02-17 17:08:40 UTC
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If you are looking for business advice, do the following:

1) Give as much detail as you can. Take your time. The more information
you give, the better advice regulars here will be able to give you.
Describe your problem as if you were telling it to Sherlock Holmes in his
study. NEVER assume regulars are telepathic! All we know about you and
your problem is what you tell us. If you have a website, give us its URL.
If you have print ads, text of mailings, radio ads, or TV ads, provide
hyperlinks to jpeg, mp3, and mpeg/asf/mov of them. You will NOT bore us
with details. Oh, and remember this newsgroup is an international newsgroup
so don't assume people telepathically know which country you're in.

2) Don't necessarily expect to receive answers with your first post. Expect
instead to receive questions. Answer these questions promptly and expect
more in return. Once the regulars feel they have an adequate understanding
of your situation and problem, they then might feel they can offer you some
useful advise.

3) Be active. After you post, check this newsgroup at least once a day and
reply to all posts. Take the time to give detailed replies. Don't rush
here either. Give as full of a reply as possible. The more you're active
and the more in-depth your replies, the more regulars will participate in
your thread and the more help you'll receive.

4) Keep it clean. The ones that are probably going to help you the most
will be the professionals that frequent this newsgroup. Unless you'd like
to be put into their kill-files, treat them with respect and don't waste
their time. Many of these professionals regularly check this group from
work during the little breaks in their workday. While more details are
better than too few, adding too much unrelated junk will only confuse the
situation and reduce the usefulness, readability, and value of your post.
Take a moment and streamline your replies. Reduce the header down to just
who is saying which lines. Do NOT simply repost the entire message if
you're only referring to a part of it. Without distorting what they wrote,
trim down what they said to just what you're replying to. Also, do NOT top
post. Top posting forces people to scroll down then back up to your reply.
Think logical progression of thought. Again, it will reduce the time the
professionals need to spend reading your post thus more time they'll have --
during their coffee break -- to reply to your post.

5) Return and let us know what happened. Title your post the same as your
original one and add "[update]" at the end of the subject line. Again, put
as much effort into it as you'd like regulars to give to their replies. Tell
what worked, what didn't, ups, downs, and surprises. Use this as an
opportunity to ask further questions. Bless us with the pearls of wisdom
you learned along the way. Also, remember this is a nice way to thank those
that helped you. Some regulars sometimes feel used and cheap when those
they help never return to let them know what happened. They also remember
those that do and next time you have another problem, they'll be that much
more willing to devote time and effort to help you when you come around
again.

Lastly, remember that the advice you're getting here is worth exactly what
you paid for it. While professionals do frequent this newsgroup, they do so
at their leisure and their advice is informal. If you want better advice,
hire a professional.

Scott Jensen, co-moderator
misc.business.moderated
Premier Phone Messages
2007-02-19 04:18:51 UTC
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Post by Scott T. Jensen
1) Give as much detail as you can. Take your time. The more information
you give, the better advice regulars here will be able to give you.
Describe your problem as if you were telling it to Sherlock Holmes in his
study. NEVER assume regulars are telepathic! All we know about you and
your problem is what you tell us. If you have a website, give us its URL.
If you have print ads, text of mailings, radio ads, or TV ads, provide
hyperlinks to jpeg, mp3, and mpeg/asf/mov of them. You will NOT bore us
with details. Oh, and remember this newsgroup is an international newsgroup
so don't assume people telepathically know which country you're in.
2) Don't necessarily expect to receive answers with your first post. Expect
instead to receive questions. Answer these questions promptly and expect
more in return. Once the regulars feel they have an adequate understanding
of your situation and problem, they then might feel they can offer you some
useful advise.
3) Be active. After you post, check this newsgroup at least once a day and
reply to all posts. Take the time to give detailed replies. Don't rush
here either. Give as full of a reply as possible. The more you're active
and the more in-depth your replies, the more regulars will participate in
your thread and the more help you'll receive.
4) Keep it clean. The ones that are probably going to help you the most
will be the professionals that frequent this newsgroup. Unless you'd like
to be put into their kill-files, treat them with respect and don't waste
their time. Many of these professionals regularly check this group from
work during the little breaks in their workday. While more details are
better than too few, adding too much unrelated junk will only confuse the
situation and reduce the usefulness, readability, and value of your post.
Take a moment and streamline your replies. Reduce the header down to just
who is saying which lines. Do NOT simply repost the entire message if
you're only referring to a part of it. Without distorting what they wrote,
trim down what they said to just what you're replying to. Also, do NOT top
post. Top posting forces people to scroll down then back up to your reply.
Think logical progression of thought. Again, it will reduce the time the
professionals need to spend reading your post thus more time they'll have --
during their coffee break -- to reply to your post.
5) Return and let us know what happened. Title your post the same as your
original one and add "[update]" at the end of the subject line. Again, put
as much effort into it as you'd like regulars to give to their replies. Tell
what worked, what didn't, ups, downs, and surprises. Use this as an
opportunity to ask further questions. Bless us with the pearls of wisdom
you learned along the way. Also, remember this is a nice way to thank those
that helped you. Some regulars sometimes feel used and cheap when those
they help never return to let them know what happened. They also remember
those that do and next time you have another problem, they'll be that much
more willing to devote time and effort to help you when you come around
again.
Lastly, remember that the advice you're getting here is worth exactly what
you paid for it. While professionals do frequent this newsgroup, they do so
at their leisure and their advice is informal. If you want better advice,
hire a professional.
Scott Jensen, co-moderator
misc.business.moderated
Gee Scott, I hope you just got out of bed on the wrong side or just
got a bit carried a way. I'm looking at your last paragraph and hoping
you don't really have such a low opinion of the advice offered in the
forum. You give up your own time to moderate so I'm sure you place
more value on the discussion than this para would indicate.

I guess by professionals you mean professional business advisers. I
would really contest the idea that good advice only comes from such
"professionals". I believe that most successful business people would
see themselves as professional and often have excellent advice to
offer.

Of course anyone receiving advice through the forum needs to exercise
their own judgement, but that was really the only point that needed to
be made.

David Falcon
Premier Phone Messages
Scott Jensen
2007-02-19 16:47:43 UTC
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Post by Premier Phone Messages
Post by Scott T. Jensen
Lastly, remember that the advice you're getting here is worth exactly
what you paid for it. While professionals do frequent this newsgroup,
they do so at their leisure and their advice is informal. If you want
better advice, hire a professional.
Scott Jensen, co-moderator
misc.business.moderated
Gee Scott, I hope you just got out of bed on the wrong side or just
got a bit carried a way.
Gee David, you must be new to this newsgroup since this post has been
regularly posted to this newsgroup and three other business newsgroups
we moderate for years now.
Post by Premier Phone Messages
I'm looking at your last paragraph and hoping you don't really
have such a low opinion of the advice offered in the forum.
You give up your own time to moderate so I'm sure you place
more value on the discussion than this para would indicate.
It is a warning to those seeking advice here.
Post by Premier Phone Messages
I guess by professionals you mean professional business advisers. I
would really contest the idea that good advice only comes from such
"professionals". I believe that most successful business people would
see themselves as professional and often have excellent advice to
offer.
Of course anyone receiving advice through the forum needs to exercise
their own judgement, but that was really the only point that needed to
be made.
And it was. I just said it in a way that you didn't like.

Scott Jensen
Wayne Sallee
2007-02-25 20:20:58 UTC
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hehe I can understand the last paragraph.
Sometimes people post questions, and get upset that
you did not spend an hour coming up with a greatly
thought out response. In other words, "don't look a
gift horse in the mouth". :-) If you want someone to
spend an hour coming up with a greatly thought out
response, hire someone to give you the answer :-)

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets
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Post by Scott T. Jensen
Lastly, remember that the advice you're getting here is worth exactly what
you paid for it. While professionals do frequent this newsgroup, they do so
at their leisure and their advice is informal. If you want better advice,
hire a professional.
Scott Jensen, co-moderator
misc.business.moderated
Gee Scott, I hope you just got out of bed on the wrong side or just
got a bit carried a way. I'm looking at your last paragraph and hoping
you don't really have such a low opinion of the advice offered in the
forum. You give up your own time to moderate so I'm sure you place
more value on the discussion than this para would indicate.
I guess by professionals you mean professional business advisers. I
would really contest the idea that good advice only comes from such
"professionals". I believe that most successful business people would
see themselves as professional and often have excellent advice to
offer.
Of course anyone receiving advice through the forum needs to exercise
their own judgement, but that was really the only point that needed to
be made.
David Falcon
Premier Phone Messages
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