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Dive in, or jump out?
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j***@gmail.com
2007-03-07 15:30:30 UTC
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Hello fellow business men and women.
I am facing a delima as a person in business which, of course, will
directly affect my future in everyway. I am asking for advice on the
subject. I have weighed out pros and cons...they are equal, what a
surprise. This question may be a personal question though, shall I
start this business now, or wait? It is a question about me, as a
parent, so, maybe some of you wouldn't consider this a business
question, but I can't seem to think of anyone better to ask this
question to, other than people in business, business OWNERS,
particularly, parents as business owners.

I am 36, I am a single mother of 3 teenage boys since 1993 (they are
18,16, and 15). Single mother in every sense of the word, their dad
sees them 6 times/year.
I have been a dancer (a REAL dancer, ballet, modern, etc) for 32
years, was a professional dancer on and off for 10 years, and have
been a dance teacher and choreographer in the midwest for 18 years. I
attained my real estate license approximately 1 year ago, haven't done
very well yet, but I am changing my focus to commercial because I
think I'll do better at it (I know many business owners and business
people from selling group insurance benefits for 3 years prior to
attaining my real estate license.) I have some residential listings
and will continue to some residential real estate. I DONT think I have
given real estate a fair chance, I have NOT worked it as hard as I
could and believe the reason is because I don't really love it. I
adore the freedom, I really like the money...when I make it. But, I
have been thinking about and PLANNING for the last 2 months (almost
have that business plan completed) to start my own dance studio. A
LONG time friend and fellow dance teacher, (a dancer I have known
since I was 10 years old) approached me and wants to partner with me
to start a dance studio. WE would be an awesome team, although I have
quickly realized, after writing the plan entirley on my own because
something comes up and she doesn't respond, or call, or something
comes up where she can't get together. BUT, I feel it is what I am
supposed to do, dance is WHO I am. When I read the plan, I get
excited, it looks great...BUT is it worth it? I know, now, that having
a 50% partner is NOT the best choice, I think I have a solution to
that obstacle, IF I move forward.
The money looks pretty good after the 1st 4-5 months, at least steady,
but it isn't THE driving force to start a studio. At this point, I
don't have the money for the market research to do any national
averages for the plan. I would HAVE to attain a grant and loans to
initially get started this time, I have no capitol at all. I am broke
and made little money last year, so, maybe I could POSSIBLY get a
grant based on the hardship situation, I don't know what else I can
do, my credit sucks. I started my own studio years ago (back in 1999),
I had no money then either. I found a perfect lease situation (1
year), I had a little money for walls (made 3 small studio rooms),
cheap laminate flooring, used stereos, and had to subscribe to a "1
cent/month music service," (remember those?) just to get music to
teach with. I put one tiny little ad in the paper prior to opening. I
had 100 students sign up the 1st weekend, cash flowed immdeiately, I
only needed 35 students to make the lease payment. I LOVED it, but the
boys were small (11, 9, and 8). I let the wrong teacher come in who
poisoned my studio, within 2 weeks, I lost 40 kids, I was going
through a 2nd divorce, going through babysitters like water and I
couldn't handle it anymore. I shut down after one year.
I have taught about every evening of the week for the majority of my
sons lives w/ the exception of the last 4 years because I thought it
was an important time to be at home in the evenings with the boys, so,
I only teach 1 night per week now. I have been made bad choices in
men, subsequently affecting my kids. 1) Business is ANOTHER marriage
(I've been married 3x). 2) Dance studios mostly operate at night (last
class usually ends between 9:30-10:00), therefore, taking the last 3-4
years I have left to be here with and for the boys. 3) The boys LOVE
the idea, they think it is what I am supposed to do, it seems like a
natural decision. 4) The boys want to work there and help out. 5) They
think they will be able to recruit a lot of kids from their high
school. 6) I don't know how to raise capitol, how to attain the start
up costs. 7) Cash will flow, there is no doubt, almost immediately. 8)
I SEE so many people struggling in business even after 10,20,and 50
years...from real estate to insurance, to even surgery centers: the
headache of payroll, bills, unhappy clients, law suits, 12 and 16 hour
days, staff issues. 9) I would have artistic freedom 10) I would not
be free anymore; every night, every weekend 11) Life is beautiful
because it is short, too short, of course. Motherhood is too short
too, we only have so much time to influece our children and prepare
them for adulthood. As a parent, do we move forward and show our
children that you have to GO GET WHAT YOU WANT? Or as parents, do we
continue to make sacrifices for ourselves and stick to the most
important job...BEING A PARENT.
I think I can work out the kinks regarding the start up costs, if I
decide to move forward.
Again, this may not be a business question. Please do not respond if
you don't consider it a business question. But if you are a parent,
own your business, have a passion for something,
and, of course, have an opinion, I would appreciate your advice.
Thank you so much for reading this.
~Julie
John A. Weeks III
2007-03-08 13:53:39 UTC
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[...] This question may be a personal question though, shall I
start this business now, or wait? [...]
What will change if you wait, other than you getting older?
attained my real estate license approximately 1 year ago, haven't done
very well yet, but I am changing my focus to commercial because I
think I'll do better at it (I know many business owners and business
people from selling group insurance benefits for 3 years prior to
attaining my real estate license.) I have some residential listings
and will continue to some residential real estate. I DONT think I have
given real estate a fair chance, I have NOT worked it as hard as I
could and believe the reason is because I don't really love it.
Also note that until about a year ago, this was the hottest
real estate market in the history of the free world. If you
couldn't make it then, then perhaps you are not cut out for
anything where you have to motivate yourself into action.
LONG time friend and fellow dance teacher, (a dancer I have known
since I was 10 years old) approached me and wants to partner with me
to start a dance studio. WE would be an awesome team, although I have
quickly realized, after writing the plan entirley on my own because
something comes up and she doesn't respond, or call, or something
comes up where she can't get together. BUT,
Lose the partner. She wants you to do all the work, and she will
take all the credit. You will put in the hours, she will take
the profit. Don't fall into this trap with these warning signs
already showing.
but it isn't THE driving force to start a studio. At this point, I
don't have the money for the market research to do any national
averages for the plan. I would HAVE to attain a grant and loans to
initially get started this time, I have no capitol at all. I am broke
and made little money last year, so, maybe I could POSSIBLY get a
grant based on the hardship situation, I don't know what else I can
do, my credit sucks.
This is where I fell off the wagon. You have bad credit and
no money, yet you want to be Donald Trump. I get the impression
that you have spent a lifetime trying a little of this and a
little of that trying to make the big win or to get rich quick.
It never works. You end up where you are, broke and bad credit.

Success comes from putting in the long hours and doing things
that you really don't want to do. I am afraid that no matter
what kind of business you do, you are going to lose motivation,
stop putting in time, and down the drain it goes.

If you really want to do a dance studio, money will not get in
your way. You can find places to give classes. Schools have
gyms. YMCA need instructors. Corporations need people to lead
this kind of stuff as part of their wellness programs. You can
get started, find a cheap spot to hold classes, and get going.
When you save up enough, then find a strip mall store to move
into.

The only good things in life happen because you make them happen.
Asking for a hand out or expecting the government to give you
the money will only help you lose that money faster.

-john-
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Newave Communications http://www.johnweeks.com
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e***@gmail.com
2007-03-09 17:01:49 UTC
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Post by j***@gmail.com
children that you have to GO GET WHAT YOU WANT? Or as parents, do we
continue to make sacrifices for ourselves and stick to the most
important job...BEING A PARENT.
I think that we need to prove to our kids that:
1) They didn't screw-up our hopes/dreams
2) When mommy says "you can be anything you want", that its not just
words but mommy is living-proof of this.
3) That life is still exciting even when you are older

Go for it... just be smart about it. Eric.
Bill Millikin
2007-03-10 04:01:43 UTC
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Julie Ann - You've answered your own question!

Don't wait! Start NOW! Follow your dream! Hire your kids! Do what
serves you and them, and never mind anything else. They are old enough
to be 'partners' and really be helpful with your business. Spend time
with them learning about business together (just a thought)

If financing is hard - do what John suggested and go to work where there
is work, already, then move to your own place when you can.

But - you said you can get the money, so ----

OR - since you've done this before, do what you already know works, and
stop asking questions - you need to take action - not wait for the
'right' answer from someone who doesn't live your dream with you.

There are ways I can think of quickly to get the whole thing off the
ground without money from your pocket or investors.

Do - create a flyer and send it with your kids to school. They will
tell everyone they know about 'their' studio and that their Mom owns it
and they work there. That is free marketing that you can't buy with money.

Then - when the first members sign up - offer them something to bring in
more new members - an incentive that says you appreciate their telling
their friends (and parents) about it. More 'free' marketing that you
can do without money..

I agree totally with John about the 'partner.' The last thing you need
is someone owning half of YOUR work. You can do this on your own.

Best of luck and success to you and your kids and your future!

Bill Millikin
(for more ideas call me and I'll chat with you about cost-free ways you
can market your new business)
http://www.hidden-marketing-assets.com
419-989-4656 (Ohio)

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Post by j***@gmail.com
Hello fellow business men and women.
I am facing a delima as a person in business which, of course, will
directly affect my future in everyway. I am asking for advice on the
subject. I have weighed out pros and cons...they are equal, what a
surprise. This question may be a personal question though, shall I
start this business now, or wait? It is a question about me, as a
parent, so, maybe some of you wouldn't consider this a business
question, but I can't seem to think of anyone better to ask this
question to, other than people in business, business OWNERS,
particularly, parents as business owners.
Wayne Sallee
2007-03-10 04:02:13 UTC
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I'd say jump out.

Your kids will be out of the house soon, and you
will be looking at life a little differently. Also
your kids will be getting married, and having kids
of there own, and you will want to be there for
that, instead you will still be struggling to get
your business going.

Instead get a job teaching dance.

And never do a 50/50 partnership.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets
Post by j***@gmail.com
Hello fellow business men and women.
I am facing a delima as a person in business which, of course, will
directly affect my future in everyway. I am asking for advice on the
subject. I have weighed out pros and cons...they are equal, what a
surprise. This question may be a personal question though, shall I
start this business now, or wait? It is a question about me, as a
parent, so, maybe some of you wouldn't consider this a business
question, but I can't seem to think of anyone better to ask this
question to, other than people in business, business OWNERS,
particularly, parents as business owners.
I am 36, I am a single mother of 3 teenage boys since 1993 (they are
18,16, and 15). Single mother in every sense of the word, their dad
sees them 6 times/year.
I have been a dancer (a REAL dancer, ballet, modern, etc) for 32
years, was a professional dancer on and off for 10 years, and have
been a dance teacher and choreographer in the midwest for 18 years. I
attained my real estate license approximately 1 year ago, haven't done
very well yet, but I am changing my focus to commercial because I
think I'll do better at it (I know many business owners and business
people from selling group insurance benefits for 3 years prior to
attaining my real estate license.) I have some residential listings
and will continue to some residential real estate. I DONT think I have
given real estate a fair chance, I have NOT worked it as hard as I
could and believe the reason is because I don't really love it. I
adore the freedom, I really like the money...when I make it. But, I
have been thinking about and PLANNING for the last 2 months (almost
have that business plan completed) to start my own dance studio. A
LONG time friend and fellow dance teacher, (a dancer I have known
since I was 10 years old) approached me and wants to partner with me
to start a dance studio. WE would be an awesome team, although I have
quickly realized, after writing the plan entirley on my own because
something comes up and she doesn't respond, or call, or something
comes up where she can't get together. BUT, I feel it is what I am
supposed to do, dance is WHO I am. When I read the plan, I get
excited, it looks great...BUT is it worth it? I know, now, that having
a 50% partner is NOT the best choice, I think I have a solution to
that obstacle, IF I move forward.
The money looks pretty good after the 1st 4-5 months, at least steady,
but it isn't THE driving force to start a studio. At this point, I
don't have the money for the market research to do any national
averages for the plan. I would HAVE to attain a grant and loans to
initially get started this time, I have no capitol at all. I am broke
and made little money last year, so, maybe I could POSSIBLY get a
grant based on the hardship situation, I don't know what else I can
do, my credit sucks. I started my own studio years ago (back in 1999),
I had no money then either. I found a perfect lease situation (1
year), I had a little money for walls (made 3 small studio rooms),
cheap laminate flooring, used stereos, and had to subscribe to a "1
cent/month music service," (remember those?) just to get music to
teach with. I put one tiny little ad in the paper prior to opening. I
had 100 students sign up the 1st weekend, cash flowed immdeiately, I
only needed 35 students to make the lease payment. I LOVED it, but the
boys were small (11, 9, and 8). I let the wrong teacher come in who
poisoned my studio, within 2 weeks, I lost 40 kids, I was going
through a 2nd divorce, going through babysitters like water and I
couldn't handle it anymore. I shut down after one year.
I have taught about every evening of the week for the majority of my
sons lives w/ the exception of the last 4 years because I thought it
was an important time to be at home in the evenings with the boys, so,
I only teach 1 night per week now. I have been made bad choices in
men, subsequently affecting my kids. 1) Business is ANOTHER marriage
(I've been married 3x). 2) Dance studios mostly operate at night (last
class usually ends between 9:30-10:00), therefore, taking the last 3-4
years I have left to be here with and for the boys. 3) The boys LOVE
the idea, they think it is what I am supposed to do, it seems like a
natural decision. 4) The boys want to work there and help out. 5) They
think they will be able to recruit a lot of kids from their high
school. 6) I don't know how to raise capitol, how to attain the start
up costs. 7) Cash will flow, there is no doubt, almost immediately. 8)
I SEE so many people struggling in business even after 10,20,and 50
years...from real estate to insurance, to even surgery centers: the
headache of payroll, bills, unhappy clients, law suits, 12 and 16 hour
days, staff issues. 9) I would have artistic freedom 10) I would not
be free anymore; every night, every weekend 11) Life is beautiful
because it is short, too short, of course. Motherhood is too short
too, we only have so much time to influece our children and prepare
them for adulthood. As a parent, do we move forward and show our
children that you have to GO GET WHAT YOU WANT? Or as parents, do we
continue to make sacrifices for ourselves and stick to the most
important job...BEING A PARENT.
I think I can work out the kinks regarding the start up costs, if I
decide to move forward.
Again, this may not be a business question. Please do not respond if
you don't consider it a business question. But if you are a parent,
own your business, have a passion for something,
and, of course, have an opinion, I would appreciate your advice.
Thank you so much for reading this.
~Julie
RichardJ
2007-04-01 20:52:01 UTC
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Julie--It's a tough call, only because I'm totally in favor of giving
your kids the most time, love and attention you can. You'll never
regret the time you spend with them. Having said that, I'm wondering
if you need to go out and rent studio space right now. (That might be
the normal way to do things, but who wants normal, anyway?) You might
look into giving classes at the YMCA, community centers, churches,
anywhere you can gather a group of people who will pay you to help
them learn to dance.

I also just recently read the story of a guy who was in a similar
situation, and his solution was to build a business giving private
dance lessons. (I'll look for the story, and send you a lnk to it
when I find it.) He got around the high overhead costs, the need to
sign a lease, and a lot of problems that a traditional studio would
avoid. That might be something to think about.

Also, I agree with everyone else--dump the partner. They sound like
dead weight to me...

You can do this!

Richard
http://www.jarmanbusinesswriting.com/
Jarman Business Writing--copywriting that connects raw information to
real life!
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